tbh i don't think nikki has it in him - he's not a musician and never was - yeah he's better than when he started out but musicially he ain't got anything in him
J: nikki's a good songwriter, maybe he should just write songs and manufacture sleaze bands like stevie does :)
M: i guess in the sleaze/glam world he does fine - tbh he should just stick with what he's doing - being a whiny bitch and letting everyone copy his style :)
J: yeah, he's doing fine as is :) it's not like motley dont make money :)
M: or as i said, everyone seems to want to look like him now, he should just be pleased he ain't vince, mick or tommy XD nikki has a decent life and career, he should count his blessings :)
J: that pic of him on that site i sent you looks like dave from morbid angel so much :)
M: i really wish dark tranquillity would get a better name/decent logo/decent cover art.....when i think of favourite bands in terms of how many albums i like etc. i think i like more DT than anyone else. i know they have a lot of releases, so in terms of number they beat a lot of other bands i like - but srsly, i like a huge percentage of their stuff....but their merch sucks!!! their logo is just their name in a font (or just the DT), like dimmu, and all their album covers are weird and rubbish or insanely emo looking. the only good stuff is septic broiler but they were pretty much a completely different band back then and i don't like any of the stuff they did. sadness :( maybe i should make my own stuff.
J: that's the same with Job for a Cowboy or any band or festival that sounds lame or has lame merch. DT sounds like some goth band with a female singer... to me anyway. I understand picking a band name is not the easiest thing nowadays, but don't make yourself sound like a bunch of pussies.
M: yeah, it's such a shame because they've done some really great stuff. its one of the reasons i never bothered with them for ages - their singer looks like chad kroeger and everything else about them is pretty lame looking.........their 1995 album the gallery is one of my favourite ever albums. sux the image lets their material down - but here was have proof that image is important, not just the music
Seriously, can you tell them apart?
J: as you know, i like to let the music talk, but an ounce of image IS important. don't get too obsessed about it as that will end up probably affecting the band, but don't sell yourselves short as so to speak :)
J: can you imagine motley playing in jeans and a tee shirt back in the 80's? vince does now, but you couldn't of had that back them. i mean say like crashdiet - you expect them to look a bit dressed up, not to just go onstage looking regular. but this can also fuck a band up if certain people think too much about the image and that's all they care about. that then means you need to gtfo of doing music, because you care too much about something that isn't really that major, although it is something that needs some attention, but not too much. you feel me?
M: yeah i totally understand. music and live performances of music have always been about making a show and what you wear is part of the show. so that's always going to matter, because the visuals are just as important. if motley crue played what they played but wore and acted like sunn do - it would never have worked. you find an image that works and then go with it...but the bands that do that best are the ones who find stagewear and stage imagery that fits them at each point of their musical careers and let the image evolve with the band. if you become too stuck with one thing, it becomes costume and everyone knows that costumes mean you're a novelty and so no longer taken seriously. usually people's image just simply matures as they grow up so it seems natural, but some people seem quite easily led so they start looking unnatural for them - rob flynn and tommy lee being obvious perpetrators of this crime!
J: > rob flynn nice frosted tips :) I don't care how he looks now, but he he's gone full circle after turning into an idiot during their nu metal phase, same with dez from devil driver. they both dress now in cut off tee shirts and wear them lame leather wristbands that are so lame i have no idea what they're for and neither do they! but that aside, bands like GWAR and slipknot have to pretty much keep their costumes, bands that just have an image can freely alter and change it like how motley changed image on every album, but it's when you get a band that are anal about image that then gets in the way of the music and then you have a lame band.
M: >them lame leather wristbands....i have no idea what they're for and neither do they don't be such a man, they don't need a purpose, they're just leather bracelets :p :)
>but that aside, bands like GWAR and slipknot have to pretty much keep their costumes see they've both trapped themselves into looking like that and if they don't want to look like that anymore, it'll be a big deal whether people like or hate the idea of it
J: that was awesome that video :D the book they have out is good. The Dirt, it's called, and is pretty entertaining, albeit a bit hammed up :)
M: i'd like to have that. we'd have it [at work] i reckon? never looked for what we have on others genres of music, only black metal.... although i want to own the stuff anyways. put it on my christmas list :D
J: i was thinking earlier about how much i hate bands most popular stuff, like because it's over rated and they have better stuff. But what of them albums are actually good? You follow? Like I hate Among the Living, but everyone loves it. I don't like Master of Puppets, but it's considered one of their best. Everyone loves the 2nd Earth album, and so do I. So it's an album that to some is the be all, end all, but it's one that is righfully good. I can't think of many, but you feel me?
M: you mean "overrated" albums that aren't actually overrated, they're just that good? umm...dunno, thing with me and you is that we like a lot of stuff that isn't very widely liked. all my most favourite stuff is realtively unknown, same with you (or in the gg allin side of things is widely DISliked hahahaha)
umm...
can't think of any? :/
J: i mean like albums people go on about being their best album, but it's actually a decent album. GNR's Appetite for Destruction is a cool album, and it's like their only album to some folk
M: yeah i know, but i'm trying to think of any that i actually like. i quite like master of puppets i guess. rust in peace?
J: i like rip, but it's a bit of a touch and go album, since alot of fans thought they ended on So Far, So Good, Peace Sells is cool, and most megadeth fans bang on about it
J: i thought about number of the beast, it's a great album, even if it is over hyped. but peace sells has peace sells on it, and i don't like that song much. but number of the beast is a good album :)
M: ooh i like peace sells :( fun to sing, innit. umm, yeah number of the beast is the only one i can think of that is actually a fucking good album.
J: it's a tough ask that question :) there's plenty of albums i like that people hate, but not many i can think of that i like and others like :D
M: yeah totally :O i've even tried googling some greatest metal albums lists and can't really find any i agree on :/
M: *singing the only line of that song that i know in my head* nooooooooooooooooooooooo but i think that track has a pretty good video? in a meatloaf video kinda good?
J: i dunno if i've seen it :)
M: heyyy i'm sure you have! he's in a castle or something??
yeah thats the one :D :D
J: yeah, have seen it :D :D
M: i love that video :D i'm pretty sure i watched it with you once :)
J: yEAH, WE DID, WHEN YOU LIVED IN READING
ooops, not shouting :) :)
M: YES, I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED IT :D hahaha :)
J: hey ;O
Some days later...
J: i still can't think of any "over-rated" albums i like :)
M: apart from number of the beast :)
what about any motley crue ones or something?
J: shout at the devil's the only one i can think of anyone likes best. i like it, but then it's a good album :) pantera is obviously cowboys from hell :)
M: whats on cowboys from hell? (apart from the obvious duh) i don't have it :(
J: primal concrete sledge, cemetery gates :) i get confused with that and vulgar, which has walk and fucking hostile.
M: oooh yeah, me too. even tho i own vulgar on both cassette and cd :O
